Culture clash lands one man in jail

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ST. CHARLES, MO (KTVI) - Is it a clash of cultures in or a blatant act of breaking the law?

Noble Yahudah Ben Ysrael was in court today for a pre-trial hearing for a traffic violation of driving with a revoked license. even though he was born in this country he says he is not a U.S. citizen but a citizen of the United Nation Of Yisrael. This is an organization of African-Americans who contend their descent from slavery grants them status as a sovereign state along with exemption from some laws.

His real name is Clarence Holmes and that is the name used in the charges. he'll be facing a jury trial later this month and is acting as his own attorney.

Read more from the St. Louis Post-Dispatch.

61 comments

  • chejkalcfh

    I just did some followup googleing to Mu’ur and the like. This item needs to be brought to the attention of ALL area law enforcement, it has the potential for violent confrontations. Mind I know nothing about anyone in this area ( or much elsewhere for that matter ) however the info I read strongly suggests all law enforcement tread very carefully when approaching any such plate.

  • RETIRED1

    This is not just a black thing,there are many right-wing white militant groups that classify themselves as sovereign citizens that think that don’t have to adhere to the laws of this country. Look at that clown Bundy.

    • Steven Sweeney

      He broke the law and should be punished for it.If he doesn’t like this country, he can try to get entitlements from one of his muslim countries.Equal treatment under the law.

    • Michael Lawrence

      Bundy may have broken laws, but that still does not make the BLM right for their actions. There are far more steps in between a court order and sending an army to round up cattle. How about a lien on the cattle. But from your comment, you probably think the government is right.

  • morrow

    I won’t talk about this group to fast because some things are right on point. Black people in america are legislated into the country, they are not considered free but are allowed everything they do by laws. Take the voting rights act, blacks voting are still being discussed in the gov. houses. There were votes on whether blacks can drink out of certain fountains, live in certain areas, go to certain schools, ride in the front of buses and just everything that blacks do, so anything that is legislated in to law can be legislated out, but whites are free to do all those things with out a vote. I remember when blacks could not go to the forest park highlands and when it was legislated in that they could, it burn to the ground shortly after. So this guy is not all wrong and he is not talking hatred. There are many white groups that feel the same about whites like all those people surrounding Bundy.

    • Steven Sweeney

      Voter ID has NOTHING to do with voting rights.This clown is a “black supremacist” which is funny considering the contributions are pretty much just crime, entitlements, and rap music!

  • rose

    No way to know for certain, but, this guy sounds like inmates claiming to be Muslim so they can get 5 meals a day during Ramadan, and at Christmas they are 1st. in line for the Christmas packages, and trying to double back in line for a special Christmas Dinner, even thou they don’t believe in it, or even a famous boxer changing his name and religion to get out of the draft. These guys are not loyal believers in this stuff, just use it to their advantage and when it is convenient for them.

    • Keep Honkin I'm Reloading

      Yep… non swimmers are traditionally the champions of “getting over.”

  • Aaron

    I did some looking into this Dred Scott vs. Sanford case that he spoke of. To my surprise it says ” The question then arises, whether the provisions of the Constitution, in relation to the personal rights and privileges to which the citizen of a State should be entitled, embraced the negro African race, at that time in this country, or who might afterwards be imported, who had then or should afterwards be made free in any State; and to put it in the power of a single State to make him a citizen of the United States, and endue him with the full rights of citizenship in every other State without their consent? Does the Constitution of the United States act upon him whenever he shall be made free under the laws of a State, and raised there to the rank of a citizen, and immediately clothe him with all the privileges of a citizen in every other State, and in its own courts?

    The court think the affirmative of these propositions cannot be maintained. And if it cannot, the plaintiff in error could not be a citizen of the State of Missouri, within the meaning of the Constitution of the United States, and, consequently, was not entitled to sue in its courts.—“a free negro of the African race, whose ancestors were brought to this country and sold as slaves, is not a ‘citizen’ within the meaning of the Constitution of the United States”.
    It seems he tells the truth. So if these people aren’t afforded the privelage sor protections of a citizen, then it would be logical to assume that they are not subject to the laws that govern the citizen.

  • John

    If he isn’t allowed to be a citizen, and obviously doesn’t desire to be citizen, why are we wasting state resources sending him to trial for traffic offenses? Mostly on the news you see blacks killing and stealing, they deserve to be thrown under the jail or worse. If this guy has done no more than not have our drivers license, which is only required of a citizen, then this a complete waste of resources and time. There seem to be bigger issues at hand here. This is the second story done on this guy. There must be some validity in something he’s saying

  • rose

    Sounds like he doesn’t really like it here or our laws. Everyone needs a drivers license, if anything to show they have knowledge of signs, especially Wrong Way or One Way, He should go back to his Mother Country, we have enough people here that are not citizens.

    • onile ngozi

      Actually the only foreigners here are the so called white European, Mass miseducation. Even your constitution was penned to protect the unalienable rights of the people and we have a right to travel and it cannot be converted to a privilege and assessed a fee. Driving is a term used in commerce and those who drive in you system as a franchisee(citizen) of the United States corporation need drivers license and he is not a citizen and can never be. The so called black people are indigenous to the earth and America, they are the Americans and your silly enslavement legalities do not apply

      • rose

        TRAVEL? HE WAS BORN HERE IN THE UNITED STATES AND STILL LIVES HERE. He didn’t travel TO the United States, does that mean he intends to travel FROM the United State? I am of European decedent, my great great grandparent came from Italy, became citizens, all decedents from them born here and are citizens. Move to Germany and tell them you want to live there forever and not have to abide by their laws. Yep, sounds a little ridiculous doesn’t it? By the way, believe it or not, I am very educated,

      • Steven Sweeney

        Our “silly legalities” apply to racist foreigners like yourself.I wonder what the INS would think of a screen shot of your racist anti american ramblings? eat some bacon and pay your own way you free loading, loud mouth militant piece of jungle garbage!

  • carpfisher

    Well my Christian heritage entitles me to do what i want as well. My christian ancestors were fed to lions by the romans, I want my reperations and my free government money and I aint gonna be a citizen of the US I’ll be a citizen of the united nation of Zizreal. ya. Now see how stupid that sounds? Born in America, you are American and you follow the laws or pay the consequences….nuff said

  • rose

    I would think that no drivers license means no insurance, which means if he plows into someone, that person is out of luck and has to pay damages and possibly medical expenses out of their own pocket. This is one of the reasons we have these laws to protect our CITIZENS.

  • Teacher

    If anyone of you were listening he said he doesn’t have citenship status. But the status of a national. Before you make such foolish comments in areas you have no expertise or knowledge, you should pick up the United States Code of Laws and see what it says about a CITIZEN and a NON-CITIZEN NATIONAL. Or how about you get a Blacks Law Dictionary book, and find the difference in the terms TRAVEL and DRIVER. I work in the courtroom, and I see this stuff, and I KNOW for certain what he is saying. It’s my job. You sound like you are angry with him for opening up those books and expressing it in action. It’s blatently obvious there are different laws for different people in this country. That’s a fact. Your problem is what he intends to do in this STATUS he’s in. Well.. If I saw a Man in all white Attire, in company of others who are also culturally dressed, with Bibles in hand, I would be led to believe he’s on the right side of the LAW.

    • rose

      Teacher-so what do you think about Diplomatic Immunity? Do you agree that when Foreign Diplomats are in our country that they do not have to abide by our laws and are untouchable? Yes or No question, not a half of page essay.

      • Teacher

        YES. So says the law. Doesn’t the president and all the diplomats of our country have it whenever they travel?

      • rose

        Yes, they are supposed to, but I’d be willing to bet non of them would be willing to bet their life on it, simply because other countries don’t always abide by the rules and are not to ever be trusted.

      • Teacher

        Furthermore rose. All diplomats foreign and domestic are afforded immunities and exemptions of some laws as long as they stay within a certain sphere. ( no crimes against a person i.e murder or theft or assault. And just because you don’t have a licence doesn’t mean you are not financially responsible for your vehicle or mode of transportation. Your vehicle can be BONDED. A hazard bond covers against accidents. All tow trucks have them. As well as all government officials should have them, so in case of their travels they inadvertently cause injury to someone, their bond can cover the damages. Also your president is not a citizen of the United States. He has a National status and he was born In Hawaii.

      • rose

        You have convinced me, Mabie all of us should become sovereign, lets all try it and see what happens. Actually, you make it sound inviting, and it would be a whole lot easier in life to not have to worry about so many things. Just kind of do as you please. Do I still have to work and pay taxes?

    • Teacher

      You can deport him if you can deport the president. They hold what’s called Dual National Status. Meaning they are Nationals of America Owing a form of allegiance to it. And a national of what ever land they originated from. No one ever loses the nationality of your ancretoral land. Since he has not decided to Expatriate, then he can’t be deported to anywhere.

    • rose

      Fabian, great idea, but won’t happen with all the bleeding heart liberals that think Illegals (non-citizens) have more rights than citizens.

      • Erel

        Lets refer to the Native people of the country before you start throwing the deportation word around. . I’m sure they love to put you all in a leaky boat and send you back to the caves you came from.

      • rose

        Erel-I’m sure they would, Native Americans are the only minority that has a real complaint. I wasn’t alive at that time, but my family came here on boats from Italy, stood in line for days to get legally documented, as did Germans, French, and so on, they had to have a skill to work and support their families, no handouts, they were on their own. They applied for citizenship, and respected all laws in this country.

    • Teacher

      The United States Constitution was designed to lay some ground rules for a bunch of SOVEREIGN nation states. The SOVEREIGNTY is divested in the people. Citizenship status can’t be forced on anyone. It has to be applied for. And everyone pays taxes in one way or the other. Not always to the IRS. Maybe if you don’t like the way the country does business then you should take that up with your local congressman.

    • onile ngozi

      The United States is a corporation just like Taco Bell and only has the power people give it. Second, most black people are indigenous to the Americas and are the Americans, how about we deport Europeans who we so graciously allowed to settled here in the 1700s to our demise.

      • Steven Sweeney

        Your history is as warped as your view point. Most african americans came here on slave ships.Europeans colonized and WON this country after fighting the native Americans.African Americans were not even allowed to own land back then, nor vote. Your “black surpremacy” is laughable at best.From slavery to civil rights, yes you were oppressed.From the 50’s on, you have benefitted from more government perks and programs than any other ethnic group in history and for what? Skyrocketing crime, plummeting test scores, and the denial of responsibility by playing the “race card”. The truth hurts, and that my little farrakhan, is your legacy.

  • John

    Being the judge I would say :” Our ancestors acted wrongly by using Africans as slaves, they made a lot of mistakes and I’m willing to fix that right now, since your ancestors have been brought here against their wills, and today you are here when you should be somewhere in Africa, I’ll pay your transport ticket to send you back in Africa, (unless you want to abide by the US law)

    • rose

      John- I agree as most people do, slavery was wrong, nobody should own anybody, his real name is Clarence Holmes, this name Islamic(or whatever it is) is bogus, he is a wantabe and uses this bogus name as many other criminals use bogus aliases. Shame on John Wilkes Booth for not allowing Pres. Lincoln to live and follow through with his agenda.

      • PATRIOT

        If you actually look at it. He is of Semitic descent. His name could not have ever been Clarence Holmes. Because that is clearly a europen title. Which could of only been given to him by his families slave master. A fact, no matter how you stand on the issue. The names we have were passed to us from our progenitors. You don’t see a Chinese man named Tito Gonzales. Nor do you see a Norwegian man named Santino Corleone. Unfortunately for his race they had their names replaced by the names of the families who owned them. If his last name was Tudor would he be eligible to recieve royalties for having that royal name? I think not. Therefor let him lay claim to his own name. That his progenitors would of passed to him. As is the righ of us all.

      • rose

        PATRIOT- If Clarence is going to court later this month, that means he recently changed his name. Why? For his own advantage? He needs to pick a country, become a productive citizen of that country, and abide by the rules and laws of that country. It’s really not that hard, billions of people in America do it every day. I don’t care what he wants his name to be, doesn’t matter, but you have to legally change your name in this country for it to be legal and legit, just another of our laws. He is representing himself, we’ll see how that works out for him. I don’t think I am better than he is, but, I don’t think he is any better than I am. I have to play by the rules and so should he.

    • rose

      The article states that his drivers license was revoked, which means he previously had one, wonder what Clarence did to get them revoked?

    • Tamar Tekoa

      thank you John, in advance for your donation which can be made by visiting http://www.YAHWILLGATHER.US. please rush your monetary contribution. it is our desire and focus to do just that (leave America). it is also our prayer that THE ALMIGHTY CREATOR , will accept your peace offering and that you will be spared HIS JUDGEMENT, that is destined for those whom align themselves with the wicked.

  • PATRIOT

    The news announced him by the name he chose. By that act alone they have validated that he is who is says he is. Any free man is entitled to be who and whatever he chooses. If you need permission to change anything about yourself especially your name, the. You are a s l a v e. If I decide to call myself TOMM FOOLERY, then it’s my right as a man to do so. And I don’t need permission from any agency to do it. End of story.

  • PATRIOT

    rose- if Noble just corrected his name, could it be possible he just discovered the fraud? Whereby he would have a moral and lawful obligation to correct such fraud. Making public records reflect such correction and the reason thereof. No man need ask permission (petition the court) to correct or conduct ones own affairs. One does however need to give the public ( US ) notice of such acts on and for the record. So the question no longer is if this is for his benefit, as undoubtedly it is in some way. The question is now, can he prove he was Noble before this incident happened? By Certified documented proof that the public can easily access. In addition with the laws that govern his stance, to a competent jury of his peers. He is representing himself so it’s safe to assume he’s opened a book or two. It will be interesting to see how this unfolds. I am in agreement with in you in regards to him needing to be a productive member of the society he is in allegiance with. Unless someone here knows him personally we can not say if he does or does not pull his fair share of the weight.
    Also keep in mind the Media asks the question ” is this a clash of cultures, or a blatant act of breaking the law?” Meaning this guy could be right in what he’s saying. Or not so much. Let us examine the facts. And not be swayed by opinions. This s a public case. And we live in an age of technology. There’s not much you can’t find out.
    As far as him following the laws. I agree he needs to follow all that laws that govern him. Laws change daily. And the majority of (US) have no idea what the law is or what laws apply to (US). It’s not fair to assume someone is breaking any law if you don’t even know what the law is yourself.

  • MarakaYAH Ysryl

    we’re not muslims that pray to the god of stone, nor are we christians praying to your hippy on a stick, our GOD is the KING of kings, the GOD of gods,we’re YHWH’s (The MOST HIGH) true chosen people, Deut.28:15-68, the Yisraelites! Keep your eyes open, y’all haven’t seen anything yet! do you really think our Creator YHWH is not going to deal with you, our oppressors after all of Yisrael’s blood that you have on your hands, united snakes of america? Gen. 15:13,14

  • Hadurah Bah't Yacob Yisrael

    For all that have spoken with great disdain against this young man whom you know not but have spoken out of your hatred against the Hebrews, the children of Yisrael aka negroes, blacks, colors, afro americans, darkies, african americans, and a host of other bywords dependig on the lands that we the children of Yisrael were taken captive to. Know this; as the utterance of YAH, the Power of Yisrael have spoken through HIS servants the Prophets, (Genesis 27:29 )Those that bless Yisrael will be blessed (as these Hebrew slaves have been for America and all the other lands that they were takened captive to.
    (Deuteronomy 28: 64-68) But all that hate him will be cursed and they shall perish.

    This is for YAHUDAH BEN and all of the children of Yisrael, thus said YAH the Holy One of Yisrael, Fear not; for I am with you: Be not dismayed; for I am your G_D: I will strenghten you and I will help you. Behold, all they that hate you and were incensed against you shall be ashamed and confounded: they shall be as NOTHING; and they that strive with you shall PERISH. So for all of you that have shown nothing but disdain for this Yisraelite as well as for all of the children of Yisrael, know that as YAH stated in Deuteronomy 30: 8,7, when you Yisrael! shall return and obey the voice of YAH your G-D and do all HIS commandments then YAH your G-D will put all of the curses that you have endured upon all your enemies and upon them that hate you, which perecuted you. Once again, as it was with Pharaoh whose words became his own destiny, so shall the words of your mouth become yours. MAY YAH, the Holy ONE of Yisrael be the Righteous Judge in this matter acording to the contents of your heart concerning HIS people. HalleluYAH!

  • Hadurah Bah't Yacob Yisrael

    For all that feel that the enslavement of the children of Yisrael was unjust but would still like for them to leave America, please feel free to donate your contribution to the United Nation of Yisrael http://www.YAHwillgather.us. Also you may contact your congressman asking that they sign a bill that will release our people to return to our land, the land of Yisrael, with substance. As you would like for us to leave this land, so do we wish to leave as well, before the dark and terrible day of the judgement of YAH come. HalleluYAH!

    • rose

      HBYY — Need a free ride for that too? I’ve moved a few times in my life and never once ask anybody else to contribute or pay for my move. I continued to work and save. When you do move, good luck on totally supporting yourself.

  • Hadurah Bah't Yacob Yisrael

    Being that the nations had no problem kidnapping the children of Yisrael, giving them the most brutal, inhumane free ride into captivity, I would think that you would want to be fair saying freely they came so freely shall they return.

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