A three-hour meeting Thursday evening between senior administration officials and Democratic leaders yielded little progress as both sides seemed resigned to the likelihood that Congress won’t reach a major stimulus deal amid an economic crisis.
Both sides emerged from the meeting trading blame for the sputtering talks — and the administration officials warned that President Donald Trump would take executive action if no deal is reached by Friday.
It’s unclear if the two sides will meet on Friday.
“We had a consequential meeting that was one way we could see the difference in values that we bring to the table,” House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said.
Pelosi said that White House chief of staff Mark Meadows slammed his hand on the table, something that Meadows denied.
“I don’t know what she’s talking about,” he said.
The differences remain as they have been: Democrats want to do “something big,” in the words of Pelosi, and the Trump administration wants a “skinny bill,” in the words of Meadows, on the issues they agree on. One of the biggest sticking points: aid to state and local governments.
“We are very far apart — it’s most unfortunate,” Pelosi said.
“We are very disappointed in the meeting. … They were unwilling to meet in the middle,” Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer said.
Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin and Meadows indicated they are “very far apart” from the Democrats on some major issues.
“I think there’s a lot of issues we are close to a compromise position on, and I think there’s a handful of very big issues that we are still very far apart,” Mnuchin said.
Trump called the two officials three times during the meeting and urged them to continuing negotiating, Meadows said.
Mnuchin said that if “they could conclude tomorrow without a deal,” Trump will take executive action.
Earlier in the day, Pelosi rejected the possibility of a short-term extension of federal jobless benefits during her news conference, taking a hard line in demanding that Congress approve a large-scale stimulus package that the White House has so far rejected.
“We’re not having a short-term extension,” Pelosi said when asked if Democrats are ruling out an interim extension of the lapsed federal unemployment enhancement if talks collapse, a signal that restoring the benefit will be contingent on the White House and Democrats cutting a broader deal, which so far remains elusive with White House chief of staff Mark Meadows saying recently that the two sides are “trillions of dollars apart.”
As he entered Pelosi’s office Thursday evening, Meadows said, “If we don’t reach a top-line number, there becomes very little incentive to have further conversations. At this point, they are still at $3.4 trillion and going north and so at some point, compromise has to have a dollar sign in front of it.”
Meadows wouldn’t say what the White House’s top-line number is currently, but said, “We are north of where our initial offer was,” which was $1 trillion.
He added that he has a “glimmer of hope” a deal can still be reached.
Earlier on Thursday, Pelosi indicated no willingness to back off the demand for restoring enhanced unemployment benefits to the level of $600 a week. “We have said that we are going to have the $600,” she said, adding, “They know that we want the $600.”
“Why dismantle a program that almost all economists say is working and put something new in its place that will take months to go into effect?” asked Senate Democratic leader Chuck Schumer, who joined Pelosi at her presser.
The federal enhanced benefit program was set up to provide an additional $600 a week to individuals receiving regular state unemployment benefits and was meant as an added boost to help blunt the economic fallout from the pandemic. It has now expired, however, as negotiators remain at an impasse over disagreements over the scope, scale and details of a new stimulus measure, sparking fears that a deal may not be reached at all.
Democrats have called for a comprehensive agreement and indicated they do not want to take a piecemeal approach to negotiations over a new stimulus. Republicans have accused Democrats of acting in bad faith as they deal with internal divides within their own party. Complicating efforts to strike any deal: a significant number of GOP senators hesitant to back any deal with a massive price tag after Congress has already approved trillions of dollars in coronavirus relief.
“As you can see the Democrats in the Congress are unified,” Pelosi said, “At the same time, Republicans are in disarray.”
Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell announced on the Senate floor that he won’t adjourn the Senate for the August recess Thursday, as has been previously scheduled, as negotiations over the next Covid-19 response stimulus package limp forward. He did say senators can return home and will be given 24 hours’ notice to return for a vote on a deal if it is reached and that he would stay in DC as the talks continue.
But McConnell added he won’t wait forever and will adjourn for August if Democrats make clear they won’t cut a deal: “But the Senate won’t adjourn for August unless and until the Democrats demonstrate that will never let an agreement materialize. A lot of Americans’ hopes, a lot of Americans’ lives are riding on the Democrats’ endless talk. I hope they are not disappointed.”
Pelosi said Thursday she sees a “light at the end of the tunnel.” But she warned, “we have to move quickly, more quickly because that light at the end of the tunnel may be a freight train of the virus coming at us. If we do not act to contain it.”
The speaker sounded skeptical and dismissive when a reporter asked about possibility that President Donald Trump could take executive action if there’s no stimulus deal with lawmakers.
“And what is he going to act upon?” Pelosi asked. “I don’t think they know what they’re talking about. The one thing the President can do is extend the moratorium and that would be a good thing if there’s money to go with it and that’s what we keep telling them.”
Pelosi was later asked if she thinks the administration could move money around without congressional approval.
“They can’t move that much money, we’re talking about a major investment,” she said.
As negotiations continue, a number of issues have emerged as sticking points, including how to address the lapsed unemployment benefits. Funding for the US Postal Service has also become a major issue in the talks.
Schumer provided insight into his demands of Postmaster General Louis DeJoy after their heated meeting on Wednesday in Pelosi’s office. Schumer told CNN that they are demanding that all 100% of mail-in ballots be delivered by Election Day. And also on Wednesday, Schumer said that the responses they got were “inadequate.”
In the Thursday interview, Schumer said at the meeting they called on DeJoy “to pull back on these cutbacks on overtime and employees, so all the mail can be delivered on time on Election Day. Not 94% or 97%.”
Asked if DeJoy told Democratic leaders the USPS wouldn’t be able to guarantee 100% would be delivered, Schumer said: “I don’t want to say what they said, but we pushed it. It’s gotta be 100%, not 94 not 97.”
Schumer, asked if $10 billion would be sufficient to help with their budget woes, added: “We’ll figure out what they need. We don’t fully trust them — with everything Trump has said about the Post Office — and their Trump appointees.”
By Clare Foran, Manu Raju, Ali Zaslav, and Lauren Fox, CNN